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Episode #43 – The Heart of a Replanter: Gospel Orientation, Missional Focus, Emotional Intelligence, and Spousal Perseverance

Episode #43 – The Heart of a Replanter: Gospel Orientation, Missional Focus, Emotional Intelligence, and Spousal Perseverance
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00:00 / 29:56

Jimbo is back from vacay and the guys break down the characteristics of a Replanter under the category of heart of a Replanter. Stay tuned all the way through from some helpful nuggets and book recommendations by the guys at the end of the podcast.

  • Gospel Orientation refers to aligning the culture and practice of the church in such a way that the core doctrine of the gospel drives its mission and practice in preaching, managing conflict, and leading organizational change.
  • Replanters with a Missional Focus make it a priority to equip and mobilize the congregation to live their life on mission in their community and beyond for the sake of Christ and his gospel.
  • Emotional Intelligence is “the capacity to be aware of, control, and express one’s own emotions, and to handle interpersonal relationships judiciously and empathetically.”
  • Spousal Perseverance: The replanter’s wife possesses a love for Jesus and the Church. She is emotionally and spiritually prepared for the challenges that come with replanting a dying church.

Replanter are you married?  Encourage your spouse to join the private Facebook group by emailing replantwives@gmail.com

The guys recommend you and your wife consider Christian counseling, if you need help feel free to email us and request some recommendations.

Here are some helpful book recommendations to study more on these topics.

Center Church by Tim Keller

Missional Renaissance by Reggie McNeal

The Gospel Comes with a House Key by Rosaria Butterfield

No Silver Bullets by Daniel IM

The Gospel Driven Church by Jared C. Wilson

Liberating Ministry from the Success Syndrome by Kent Hughes

Future Church by Will Mancini  (coming December 1, 2020)

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00:00 / 28:02

The guys are back talking about the characteristics present in Replanters.  Listen as they break down stories of the bacon-y greatness of Shoney’s Breakfast Buffet, and the important characteristics of Replanters.


Visionary Shepherd: “A Visionary Shepherd has the ability to sense and see God’s next steps for a congregation and the capacity to lead the church forward as a loving shepherd. He is patient, wise, strategic, and relational.”


Organizational Awareness: A replanter with Organizational Awareness is adept at understanding how power dynamics work within the church, anticipating how changes would be received, recognizing where change may produce friction, and showing an awareness of how current practice and changes affected their position within the community in which they served.


Tactical Patience:Tactical patience is the ability to skillfully implement change at a pace that is appropriate to a specific congregation’s health and needs. It is about having the discernment of knowing when something must be changed and how it should be changed.


For an example of a lapse of organizational awareness listen to EP #20 “How not to change the name of a Replant.”


Book Recommendations for these Characteristics


Embers to a Flame by Harry Reeder III

Leading Major Change In Your Ministry by Jeff Iorg


Fun Links


Shoney’s Restaurant

Send Jimbo some Wright Brand Bacon


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00:00 / 20:29

This episode has the guys answering a question from Pastor Gary: Our church (7 to 11 members) has decided to stop meeting publicly and wants to regroup in my home-they are also considering a name change and a move closer to town-what advice or wisdom can you offer?

Listen in as the guys have an awkward start, talk Covid19, break it down, and consider some of the options in stopping, restarting and moving a church to another location for greater missional effectiveness.


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Episode #40 – Head, Heart, Hands, and Habits of Effective Replanters and Revitalizers

Episode #40 – Head, Heart, Hands, and Habits of Effective Replanters and Revitalizers
Replant Bootcamp

00:00 / 26:53

The guys continue their discussion on the 13 characteristics found in Replanters and offer a grid for better understanding each of them in categories we can wrap our minds around.


First, we must understand that we begin with the biblical qualifications for Pastors/Elder, these are the foundation and cannot be overlooked. 


Jimbo mentioned the three levels of leadership taught in the Airforce: personal, interpersonal, team, organizational. It’s important to think about growing in each of these levels as you develop as a leader.


Leaders-please understand that you will not be “aces” in all the areas of leadership-this is by God’s design-to make you depend on him and work with others.


For those who are married-it is imperative for your spouse to sense a strong call to Replanting. We’ve found that many Replanters experience the greatest challenges in years 3-5, a spouse must be prepared for and anticipate the struggle as well as being convinced of the call to stick it out.


Stay tuned as the guys talk more in future episodes about these characteristics in depth.

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Episode #39 – The Importance of Self-Awareness

Episode #39 – The Importance of Self-Awareness
Replant Bootcamp

00:00 / 26:59

The guys began the conversation on the 13 Characteristics of a Replanter/Revitalizer by unpacking Self-Awareness. In future episodes they will walk through the rest of the characteristics.


Of all the characteristics, Self-Awareness is foundational to pastoring whether you are a Replanter or Revitalizer.


Crisis provides a great opportunity to develop self-awareness.


He shepherded them with a pure heart
and guided them with his skillful hands.  Psalm 78:72


Ministry is a work of the Holy Spirit-your skill is important but you must be aware of your ultimate dependence on the Holy Spirit.


The greater your skills and gifting the greater the challenge for you personally to rely on your abilities and not the Holy Spirit.


One of the important aspects of self-awareness is understanding that God designed you uniquely. God also places people with other gifting and strengths who will compliment your ministry.  Embrace them as part of God’s design for your ministry.


Your strengths will help you be successful in an aspect of your ministry, not the entirety of your ministry.


Your home of origin impacts your life and ministry. Becoming self-aware of how that creates challenges and conflict is vitally important. Do the hard work of exploring your hope of origin dynamics.  We recommend, How We Love by Milan and Kay Yurkovich.


Ministry is painful because it creates


Jimbo share this quote from Tennessee Williams: There comes a time when you look into the mirror and you realize that what you see is all that you will ever be.  When that happens, you either kill yourself or stop looking in mirrors.


Accepting how God designed you is key to embracing your role in ministry. Find a good personality test like the DISC, get the results and understand your strengths and weaknesses.


One caution-some personality tests suggest that if you are not a certain type of personality. We do not believe that to be the case. Our observational experience has revealed that any personality type can successfully replant a church-with the understanding how their strengths and weaknesses impact their leadership.




Episode #38 – Leading Well in Racial/Ethnic Tension with Dr. James Hawkins

Episode #38 – Leading Well in Racial/Ethnic Tension with Dr. James Hawkins
Replant Bootcamp

00:00 / 29:42

Last week the guys talked with Dr. James Hawkins about how to lead during times of racial tension. As Replanters/Pastors understanding the perspective of our African American congregants, community members and friends is imperative.

Q: As a white pastor with a predominately white congregation how do we lead well in this time of racial tension?

Dr. Hawkins: Some of the reason why we are where we are is because of past sin-we have to understand that. Today, the lines of segregation are still evident in many of our communities even after civil rights victories. In the church, we (Black and White Christians) have not done theology together and not dealt with our shared past trauma together. We’ve also not been equipped to handle this, in many ways we were set up for this moment-the question is now, what will we do with this moment? We have to equip and disciple each other to see these ethnic moments thru the lens of scripture. Here are some helpful questions:

How has my particular ethnic group read and understand scripture related to the kingdom of heaven?

Do I know what I don’t know? (where are my blindspots)

Q: How does a pastor lead a congregation that is reluctant to explore their own biases?

Dr. Hawkins: First, we have to acknowledge that exploring the unknown is scary-we have a natural reaction to avoid what we don’t know. We have to grow to understand the importance of seeking and seeing the kingdom of God over and above ourselves. As Pastors we need to validate our congregations reluctance and defensiveness-but we also have continue to lead toward the kingdom of God.  Be patient with yourself and your congregation. Honor their fear but also ask them communicate their hopes.

Q: What is healing conversations?

Dr. Hawkins: It is a gathering of churches/people to intentionally jump into the deep end in dealing with the pain and problem of racial tension in the church. We facilitate conversations so people can find healing, help and hope and move forward.


Check out these helpful resources:

Watch the Healing Conversations video mentioned in the Podcast.

Listen to more from Dr. Hawkins on his podcast, A More Excellent Way.

Dr. Hawkins’ Book Recommendation: The Color of Compromise by Jemar Tisby

Episode #37 – Pursuing Emotional Health During Crisis with Dr. James Hawkins

Episode #37 – Pursuing Emotional Health During Crisis with Dr. James Hawkins
Replant Bootcamp

00:00 / 31:33


Dr. James Hawkins talked to the guys about how to stay emotionally healthy as a leader during a time of crisis.


Q: Is it okay for us to feel emotionally off right now as leaders?

A: Absolutely, 100%. God has wired us to understand that emotions are signals which help us to respond to the world around us.

Pastors carry the emotional burdens of the congregation as well as their own.

There are some good things that have come from Covid19

  • Slower pace of life
  • Spending time with family


Q: What are some additional warning signs we might need to pay attention to that signal we need to seek help?

A: One of the things to pay attention to is a tendency to stuff emotions, ignore them or stay in their heads intellectually or theologically. Emotional avoidance is a key sign to pay attention to – pastoring is work that is done in times of crisis and stress.  Extreme fatigue, irritability with others, inability to sit in silence. Emotional suppression = you trying to be God. God gave us emotions as signals to understand how to relate to others and respond to situations. When we turn emotions off, we are not acting in concert with the way God has made us.


Q: Sometimes in our homes of origin we learn or are told to suppress or not feel, how do we begin to reverse that?

A: We often become emotionally avoidant because of the hurt we experienced when we took a risk to be vulnerable. We were told; “don’t feel that way.” “We don’t do that.” When in pain if we reach out and receive a pain message back-we put our vulnerability away. When we do this-we lose the ability to be comforted. How do we reverse this? We need to tune into our emotions. First, bring that vulnerability to God, ask for reassurance and then reach out to others so that we are not alone-we bring our vulnerability to safe others in the context of community.


Q: What are some ways Pastors can learn to not sacrifice their families during a time of intense crisis with incredible demands?

A: You have to be in tune with your own emotional struggles – ministry is difficult.  One thing to do is to invite your family in-let them know of your work and struggle. Your wife is your helper-invite her and let her in, she is your helper and companion.  A good question to have her ask you is: “How are you doing today?”  Second, help your children understand how God us working in and through you-how you are being pressed, what you are learning. Help them have a shared experience with you as you minister.  Third, your family is your primary support unit-your safe haven. You have to lean into that and find comfort and support in your family.  A pastor should never seek to have his emotional needs met by the congregation he serves.


Q: Some pastors may be at their end, they may feel like they can’t go on-how should they respond?

A: You have to accept that as a Pastor you will experience and feel burnout, this is part of ministry. Burnout is often a sign of the seriousness of the work that you are doing.  Given that, what should you do now?  Jesus even felt heaviness, Elijah was exhausted and depressed – who are we to think that we won’t feel the same.  We need to build in moments to reset. Getting away, taking a break every week, doing what it takes to renew yourself. These are very important practices for pastors.


Q: What are some practical next steps a Pastor can take during a time like this?

A: The spiritual discipline of getting in tune with your inner world. For instance the questions God asked Adam after he sinned are helpful for us:  Adam, where are you? (The connection question-where am I at in relationship to God, family, church, others, self) Who told you that you were naked? (The influence question-who/what is influencing you? What standard are you accepting as your measure?) What is this that you have done? (The responsibility question-am I taking personal responsibility?)


Check out Dr. James’ podcast; A More Excellent Way


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Episode #36 – Making Decisions When The Path Is Not Clear

Episode #36 – Making Decisions When The Path Is Not Clear
Replant Bootcamp

00:00 / 29:21

The guys take some time to talk about the difficult decisions we are facing as Replanters/Pastors in reopening the church. If you’re weighing all the options, if you are frustrated and concerned, the guys will give you some encouragement.

Are you a Pastor struggling with the many competing voices regarding how you should lead and what you should do about reopening the church? 

Here’s a diagram that was super helpful to the guys which was first seen by us on Craig’s social media. The origin of the graphic is original to another source (if you know-let us know) but h/t Craig Tuck


Q: How do we make decisions when the path isn’t clear?

What are my legal requirements?  Romans 13 is a good guide for us in thinking through what is required by us.

Pray and ask for wisdom: James 1:5

Survey your people-find out where they are.

Be discerning about the sources you listen to for advice/counsel.

Take it one day at a time: James 4:13-16

Choose your sources wisely: avoid inflammatory and divisive voices. 

Take care of yourself (rest, renewal, silence, solitude, reading God’s word, taking a break from ministry)

Involve others in the decision making process to enlarge your understanding of the issues you are facing.


Check out all the great resources from the Charleston Baptist Association 

Avoiding Conflict as You Reopen Your Church, a great resource from Replant Team member Steve Dighton.

Consumer Corona Virus Conflicts mentioned by JimBo

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Episode #35 – Outreach during COVID

Episode #35 – Outreach during COVID
Replant Bootcamp

00:00 / 25:26

The present pandemic has changed the rules of engagement for everyone – especially the church and outreach. The guys break down some of their thoughts on outreach in the time of Covid 19.

Q: What does outreach look like in the time of social distancing?

We have to acknowledge that there are new rules of personal engagement. Going digital is an easy way to connect with people who have questions and concerns. Encourage, support and coach your members to start an online prayer gathering or bible study for their friends or family.

Taking regular walks in the neighborhood and interacting with people at a safe distance – focusing on how you might pray for or encourage them specifically.

Offering a drive-up prayer table at your local church.

Reaching out to neighbors through door hangers which offer practical and prayer support as well as inviting them to listen to services online.

Practical ministry through safe giveaways: supplies, clothes, food.

Offering your church facilities as a place of refuge, service.

  • Sports practice: soccer fields, baseball, softball, basketball etc.
  • Your parking lot: kids learning to ride their bikes, social distance circle up meetings

Developing a greater social media footprint of engagement: Jimbo has been doing Coffee meetings every morning at 7am on Facebook.  (He has now shifted to 1x a week on Monday morning)

One thing to keep in mind is that people are not looking for “polished” and “professional”, they are looking for things that are authentic.

Think outside the box, use what you have and pray for God to lead your church to connect with people.

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Episode #34 – Lessons from the Loss of Another Pastor

Episode #34 – Lessons from the Loss of Another Pastor
Replant Bootcamp

00:00 / 28:55

Bob and JimBo discuss the serious topic of losing another Pastor to an untimely death. Our hope is that you would be encouraged as we discuss some of the challenges we face as Pastors and if you need help and assistance you would reach out and find the help and hope you need.


Challenges Pastors Face

The Work is Hard: we just have to be honest, pastoring is difficult work, especially during the days we are experiencing of Covid19.

Performance/Work: feeling like you are on always-having to do ministry week in and week out.

Doing ministry in Isolation: going alone, bearing the weight of ministry in the church by yourself.

The Lack of Consistent Positive Feedback and Encouragement: it often happens that encouragement and affirmation come after a Pastor has left, departed or passed. 

Capital “F” Friendships: finding and developing close relationships with people you can be honest with.

Family of Origin Trauma and Drama: our personal past influences the way we interact with others, the way we view the world, the way we lead. Christian counseling is incredibly helpful to unwind a lot of the hurt, pain and dysfunction that occurs in our families of origin.

Pastor, please remember that Jesus died for the church so we don’t have to, He is our Savior and the Church belongs to Him.

If you are hurting or in need, please reach out and find support.  Email us here at the Bootcamp or consider contacting the Pastor’s Help Line:  1-844-PASTOR1   a free, confidential helpline for Pastors and their spouses.


Ordering Your Private World by Gordon Mcdonald

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