We’re back! Discussing the irreducible minimums of ministry that we can focus on as we shepherd and lead the church during this season. Our topic today-making disciples. We have been using the PITO Air Force Leadership model as a framework. Jump in and give it a listen. Have questions, feedback? We would love to hear from you, drop us a comment, email or text.

The mission according to Mark Clifton: “make disciples who make disciples who make the community a noticeably better place.

Personally

• You have to be a disciple yourself
• Engage in personal spiritual practices on your own
• Prayer by Tim Keller has a great description of our soul and a boat.

Interpersonally

• Who are your 2-3 who discipling yourself?
• A disciple is someone who is a little further down the road than another person in their walk with Christ.
• Discipling another person/s is a non-negotiable for us as a Pastor.

Team

• Disciple your team as “lead disciplers” this is both in content and practice
• Challenge/Require every team member to be a discipler of others
• Prioritize discipling over “ministering” or doing administrative tasks.

Organizationally

• Your church needs a Discipleship Pathway-how will you strategically lead someone to Jesus and help them grow in Jesus?
• Just attending church and going to small group/sunday school isn’t discipleship
• Encourage discipleship through your preaching and teaching regularly

Recommended Resources

No Silver Bullets by Daniel Im

Disciplines of a Godly Man by R. Kent Hughes

Growing up by Robby Gallaty

Cultivating a life for God by Neil Cole

Gospel Centered Life by Bob Thune

 

Fun Stuff

The official definition of grits

Maple Street Biscuit Company

 

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[00:00:00] JimBo Stewart: Here we go. Bootcampers episode 72 Jimbo Stewart here, and as always here with the, incredible, wonderful, beautiful Bob Bickford.

Bob Bickford: I mean nobody’s ever called me beautiful before, but I’ll take it. I will take it. Thank you. Jimbo.

JimBo Stewart: Absolutely man, uh, Bob and I were just talking about a beautiful bowl of grits that I got to have yesterday.

Bob Bickford: Jimbo. What is a grit?

JimBo Stewart: What is a grit. It’s a, you know, it’s a grit. It’s a,

Bob Bickford: It’s not rice, is

JimBo Stewart: Nope. It’s like a corn thing. Right?

Bob Bickford: I don’t know.

JimBo Stewart: I have no idea, but I love you. Do you like grits? Are you a grit Skye?

Bob Bickford: Oh yeah. I’ll eat some grits. Give me some hot sauce and I’ll have some grids.

JimBo Stewart: hot sauce. That’s the key. Right? So yesterday I had grits at a place called maple street biscuit company. Hey bootcampers if you have a maple street biscuit company, let me know. cause that started in Jacksonville. They did kind [00:01:00] of a sell out to the man a little bit.  They were bought by Cracker barrel for a whopping $36 million.

Bob Bickford: Oh,

JimBo Stewart: Yeah. Prior to that, they were on the food network for a great biscuit called the squawking goat.

Bob Bickford: So they have goat cheese on it.

JimBo Stewart: It does.

Bob Bickford: Oh man.

JimBo Stewart: You’re not a goat cheese guy.

Bob Bickford: I’m out. I’m

JimBo Stewart: Then I’m not gonna lie. I kinda love goat cheese. so it’s a fried chicken breast goat cheese that has been like, it’s a medallion of it. That’s been pan fried and then homemade, or house-made their pepper jelly. Just like pouring all over that on, on a biscuit.

Bob Bickford: that is one big breakfast right there. I would imagine.

JimBo Stewart: It is it’s, it’s super filling. so yesterday though, I was at maple street biscuit company and I was not quite that hungry. I was not hungry enough for the squawking goat. [00:02:00] So I thought, you know, I like grits. Let’s see how these guys do it. Grits. And I ordered the bluegrass country. Grit bowl, I believe is what they called it.

Bob Bickford: Was the bowl shaped like a mandolin or a banjo?

JimBo Stewart: Nope. Nope. But there was bluegrass playing. The music was, I don’t know if it’s because we’re the bowl, they turned it on or what happened, but  this grit bowl had good bowl grits on top of that, a fried egg

over medium so that the yolk comes out runny. Couple of pieces of thick cut bacon on top of that, some shredded cheddar cheese sprinkled. And then some Louisiana hot sauce,

Bob Bickford: Man. I don’t think I would need eat lunch after. That

JimBo Stewart: bro. That was some breakfast. That was

Bob Bickford: was good. That

Maybe we’re starting to turn into Gaza. Eddie’s diners drive-ins and dives here.

JimBo Stewart: I’ll tell you at some point, there’s just going to be a breakout podcast where we just talk about food. I don’t know that anyone would listen to it, but we might do it. Who knows?

Bob Bickford: We’d have fun.

JimBo Stewart: but here we are episode [00:03:00] 72, continuing the conversation about the irreducible minimum moms of ministry. We’ve been talking about the idea that was so much going on in the world.

And so many things pulling you so many different directions. It really can be overwhelming to think about all that has to be done. And so at that moment in life, it’s always best to just think through what is necessary. What is it that I really need to do and really need to focus on. So we listed six irritable minimums several episodes ago.

You could go to that today. I want to talk about make disciples, probably one of my favorite ones that we’re going to talk about. The idea of making disciples.

Bob Bickford: Yeah, cause that is our mission. Right. Make, and we say in replanting, uh, John, John, Mark Clifton, our illustrious leader says that a replant. One of the key things to do is to make disciples who make disciples, who make the community a noticeably better place.

[00:04:00] JimBo Stewart: Amen. I love it. I really do love that definition.

Bob Bickford: Yeah,

JimBo Stewart: As we talk about that we’ve been working through the irreducible minimums through the filter or the lens of air force leadership model, Peto P I T O personal interpersonal team organizational. And so as we think through this personally, Bob, uh, what does it look like to you to be involved in discipleship personally?

Just you and yourself.

Bob Bickford: Yeah, well, you got to be a disciple in order to make a disciple, right? And, one of the sayings is you are, you will never be able to take somebody to a place that you’ve never gone yourself. And so that means that you have to be a person who follows Jesus. You know, Paul said, follow me as I follow Jesus.

Right? And so there’s this example that Paul in his own life and his own relationship with Jesus was a follower of Jesus. So he could speak from authority. of, uh, as a follower of Jesus, but he would [00:05:00] also have another, a word he would have authenticity, right? Not just a tour guide. He’s actually a disciple of Jesus.

JimBo Stewart: I think about the idea of discipling yourself right through the common means of grace through spiritual disciplines. there’s a book by Tim Keller called prayer and at the end of his, book. Towards the end of the book. He, he gives an illustration that I, I really think is important. I’ve heard somebody say it one way before and I got what they were trying to say, and I really struggled with a better way to say it.

And then I read Tim Keller and as often happens, when you read somebody as smart as Tim Keller, you go, Oh, that’s how you say it in a better way.

Bob Bickford: Nobody says things better than Keller.

JimBo Stewart: So, uh, a friend of mine had one time said, man, when you’re really going through a spiritual, dry, Valley than many, you almost kind of have to fake it till you make it. And I really always struggled with that, the way he worded that I got what he was trying to say, but I thought there’s gotta be a better way to say that.

Right. So, so Tim Keller does a really good job with this [00:06:00] illustration of imagine that your soul is a boat. And, Ellen, that boat there’s a sale and there are oars and you are doing one of four things at all times with your soul in your boat, right? You are either sailing. You are rowing, you are drifting or you are sinking.

When you’re sailing, the sails are hoisted. The winds of the Holy spirit are blowing and your sales are catching that wind and things are amazing. It’s the mountain top experiences it’s as when you are just content and the Lord, you love reading his word. You love praying. You love interacting with the Lord doing the spiritual disciplines.

It’s not a duty or a chore or an obligation. It is. It is what brings you joy. But then there are seasons where we’re not sailing. Maybe our sail is an up, or maybe the wind doesn’t feel like it’s blowing for us. And [00:07:00] so we’re rowing. And so we’re still reading our Bible. We’re still praying. We’re still doing those things, but we’re not as aware of God’s presence in our life.

We were not necessarily doubting him or, or anything like that just feels like I’m going to read my Bible this morning because I know that’s what I’m supposed to do. Right. And so you can’t, you do that and, and hopes that the Lord, would, would breathe a new wind into your sails, but sometimes you’ll get a little bit discouraged.

And you’re no longer rowing and you’ll start drifting, which feels very similar to rowing in the sense that maybe you’re struggling to be aware of the presence of God in your life. You’re struggling to feel the wind of his spirit, but you just quit doing the stuff. Right. And so you kind of set the oars aside, you just drift.

And what is dangerous when you’re drifting is you can end up kinda shifting out of the shipping lanes and you end up isolated and out of where you’re supposed to be catching the [00:08:00] wind and then the stream. And if you’re not careful, you’ll start to become. So self-focused that you will, instead of.

Spending your energy rowing with the oars that God has given you of spiritual disciplines, you will spend your energy on self-indulgent numbing and you’ll find yourself singing. And so all that to say that was a very quick version of his illustration that he spells out in that book prayer. But the key part that I loved, what he said is.

If you’re rolling, just keep rolling and ask God to breathe a new wind into you. If you’re drifting, then pick up the oars and start rowing. If you’re sinking, then you need some help and you need to bring somebody along. So I say all of that to say, what does it look like personally, to be a disciple? And for me, that was very helpful to think through that of.

Not all seasons are going to be sailing. And so when [00:09:00] I’m not sailing, I need to be rowing and I need to be in the word. I need to be praying. I need to be worshiping with others. I need to be taking communion. I needed to be doing those things and, and asking God to bring a fresh wind.

Bob Bickford: Love that that’s just Sage advice. Don’t, don’t neglect the disciplines, right? You’ve got to engage in those. And one things I think for pastors is really hard is we’re always preparing to teach and preach. And , especially if you’re a Bible, vocational pastor, you’re doing so many different things and. It’s not right, or it’s not healthy and helpful to substitute your preaching preparation for your own personal devotional life. And so just want to echo that many guys have heard that said before. I’m sure. But , man, just get in the word, pray, and make sure that you’re connecting with the Lord.

JimBo Stewart: Okay, Bob. So then what does it look like interpersonally [00:10:00] to, uh, to be involved? I think this is out of all the irreducible minimum is this is probably the easiest one to answer.

Bob Bickford: Yeah, interpersonal. And in terms of just thinking through how we’re doing this with other people and, , and we’re talking to an interpersonal Jimbo, typically in our discussion of PTO has been a little bit smaller group. who are your two or three folks that you’re building into that you’re helping in their walk with the Lord develop as a disciple.

There’s a pastor that’s next door to me at Christ, the King church, a guy named Michael Peters. They call him pastor Pete. And I was meeting with him before I became the lead pastor at Sherwood Baptist church, which is now the groves. And he said this, he goes, here’s my definition of a disciple, a disciple.

and discipleship is somebody who’s just a little bit further down the road with Jesus than another person. And so they don’t have to have all this like expansive Bible knowledge of seminary degree, et cetera. It’s just somebody who helps another person figure out what it means to follow Jesus.

And they just have to be a little bit further down the road. So I’m sure in [00:11:00] all of our churches, there are folks. Who would qualify under that definition? You know, we’re a little bit further down the road than they are in their walk with Christ, and we simply are there to help them learn what it means to follow Jesus.

JimBo Stewart: as a pastor, especially, you’ve got to make sure that you’re. Always involved at some level, with discipling, you need, you need to be, discipling someone. it’s it’s, it’s like, uh, it’s like a bear. Bare minimum is the irreducible minimum, right? what happens is we often get so busy with the mechanics and ministry.

We don’t have enough margin left to do it. I heard an analogy in there’s a book that came out very recently called future church by Willman sceney and Corey Hartman. And he opens pretty close to the very beginning of the book with an analogy from a pastor he was talking to that said, you know, I work real hard at our church.

But I feel so often, like, I spend my 40 to whatever hours [00:12:00] serving the church as Bruce Wayne. And then on my personal time, if there’s leftover time, I get to be Batman and actually make disciples. And, but it’s like, I have to. I have to just spend so much of my energy doing the mechanics at ministry that within the, within the responsibilities of what the church expects of me, I don’t know.

I actually get to make disciples. And so I have to find time like Batman on the side to do this. And I’m tired of being Bruce Wayne. I just want to be Batman, right? This is I, I feel called to make disciples not to do all these other things.

Bob Bickford: Yeah, you got to flip the script on that, that one. And, that, that’s a thing where, You always have to have, the perspective of is, is what I’m doing right now, an administrative task that could be done functionally by anyone, or is it just mean, and just takes us back to the leveling, the church episode with Micah for ease.

You know, we really kind of walked through that. So we’ll, we’ll refer guys back to that one, [00:13:00] but. I think that there’s the most joy that we have in our lives, probably as P as re planters, is when we can actually sit down with somebody and walk them through what it means to follow Jesus and, and also in a particular area of their life or how to lead as a disciple maker.

Those are the most enjoyable experiences. I think that we have not the administration of ministry.

JimBo Stewart: the very least to make sure you’re discipling somebody. Right. And then, when, when you feel like nothing you’re doing is working, Man to me, at least there’s nothing is nothing serves as more of a bar to my soul. Then getting to disciple somebody and see them grow in the Lord. Yes. I’ve got a couple of guys that I meet with, weekly where we’re going through God’s word together and, working through things in discipleship. And I mean, it just, it, it excites me to get to do that. So moving from personal to interpersonal, to the team by what does it look like when we’re leading a team?

Whether that be our elders deacons, if we [00:14:00] have any staff or any kind of other formal leadership in the church, small group leaders, Sunday school teachers, how do we lead a team in making disciples?

Bob Bickford: there’s a thin dotted line between this one and organizational for me. Right. And so we’re going to jump to organizational here next, but in terms of team, when, when you mentioned the word elders, there there’s something that’s good that we do as an elder team is w w we’ll read through books together, or we’ll discuss, you know, a particular doctrine or a particular practice of, of being a disciple, as a kind of a leader disciple or a lead disciple.

So right now I’m, I’m working with three guys and helping them understand what it means to be a proclaimer of God’s word. And so as a team we’re looking at, you know, how do you, how do you read a passage? How do you outline a passage? How do you. Pray through it and think about how to communicate it to the congregation in connecting that with where the needs of our congregation and the focus and the current events that we find ourselves in.

So [00:15:00] it’s almost like that’s almost a more technical level of discipleship in terms of team. Because when I think of my team, I think of the elder team, how am I equipping them to do ministry? Right. So there’s a foundational ministry. Who’s just being a follower of Jesus about her husband. You know, a church member, that sort of thing, but then there’s the team or the team aspect of being a disciple.

We’re going to do ministry together. So my mind tends to go to, um, how do I equip them to do the ministry that God’s called us to as a church, and then in particular, the way that they fulfill that responsibility as a member of the team,

JimBo Stewart: Yeah, no, that’s really good. I think, um, you, there is kind of a formal piece of that with, with your team as you’re leading them. But I think also one of the things that hit me, about a year and a half, two years ago is we had talked a lot about discipleship and I was doing discipleship, but they were several of my elders that were not.

And engaged in that. And so we had some hard conversations about that and [00:16:00] something I wish I would have done early on in the requirements of an elder, but I, I, we started to make it a, we put a time, gave him time to figure it out and, and I, you know, answered any questions to help equip them to do it. But I did eventually end up saying, Hey, we’re going to set kind of a deadline that we’re all gonna agree to.

but starting on that date, a requirement of being an elder. It is that you are an active disciple maker. if you’ve never done that before, I probably should have asked you like, that should have that’s on me. I should, that should have been part of the process, but let me equip you and teach you how to do that.

I ended up discipling some of our elders on how to disciple and just said, Hey, after this date, about a year and a half ago, if you’re going to be an elder. Part of the expectation is that you are an accurate cycle maker. And I made that shift with our staff not really paid, but like, you know, people who lead different areas in the church, I made that requirement for them to and said, [00:17:00] I want you to know that I would rather know that you’ve, I don’t want you to drop any balls if you don’t have to, but I would rather you drop a administrative task or ball.

Then to get rid of making disciples. ultimately we’ve all just need to make disciples and everything that we’re doing needs to be either making a disciple or enabling someone else to make a disciple. Right. and, or enabling someone else to grow in the Lord. You know, watching babies, not really discipling.

Would you want when you watch a baby, but you’re freeing up mom and dad to either make disciples or to be discipled in some way. And so, let’s move from team to organizationally. What does it look like to make disciples organizationally as for the church as a whole.

Bob Bickford: Yeah, you got to think systematically and strategically in this one. Right? So a lot of churches will, you’ll hear them talk about this. What is their discipleship pathway? And that means how do we take a person from, and this is a big thing that I, I picked up from, some of the [00:18:00] missional community church folks.

and I never thought about this before, but Jim, one of the things he challenged me on my thought was, is I always thought about evangelism. And when somebody comes to Christ, then discipleship begins, but they said, let’s expand our discipleship to think about this. We disciple people towards Jesus. And then we disciple people in Jesus.

Right? And so they marry that task of discipleship of bringing the gospel to somebody is in fact, the beginning point of discipleship. Right. And so you are helping them come to faith and believe. And you know, I think these days it’s more common than not for somebody to come to faith in Christ over a period of time, rather than a point in time. Right. So I grew up back in the day, you know, where we did big youth events and events, it wasn’t events. And, and so the mentality that I had was, you know, somebody kind of a minus five, they, you know, but then all of a sudden they’re convicted by the Holy spirit and they come to Christ and that does happen.

[00:19:00] Right. But I just think that’s, I don’t see that happening in our culture as much anymore. So you disciple people to Christ and in Christ, but so the, so you got to have a strategy for that, right? And that means you’ve got to have an evangelistic strategy. How do I, how do I share my faith with people who are not yet believers?

The other thing too, is I think establishing your discipleship pathway with clear, easy steps that communicate that people can remember. and so one of the things we talk about here at the groves is we gather, grow and disciple and go. So there’s this kind of this statement we say, we gather for worship, right?

We grow in Christ. In community together, we disciple one another in the context of, uh, relationships. And then we go into the world to proclaim a God, to proclaim the gospel by demonstrating it and declaring it. Right. So that gathered, grow disciple go is really our discipleship pathway and it, and it all connects in a wheel.

Right. And so there’s never a break in it and it just continues to go. [00:20:00] So I think if you’re your church, doesn’t have to have a nifty little statement or a, you know, uh, that kind of thing, but you at least got to have a plan. And you’ve got to know where everybody in your church is on that plan at any point in time, I think, and then evaluate how are we doing in these particular areas?

So when I think of discipleship, organizationally, those are some of the things that I think about.

JimBo Stewart: That’s such a great point that it has to be something that you think through intentionally strategically. because I think a lot of times in churches, we assume if someone goes to Sunday school and they show up in the worship service, then they’re being discipled.

Bob Bickford: Not.

JimBo Stewart: And that’s that’s, that seems to be the model.

So, so many churches work off of, right. But, but that’s not, that is not discipleship now will they hopefully grow in the Lord and in their affection and understanding of God’s word in a biblical community by going to Sunday school and attending church? Yeah, absolutely. That’s that’s, that’s a part of their spiritual transformation, but discipleship is an intentional process.

And [00:21:00] so we’ve got to think through that and having a discipleship pathway of some kind of process of some kind, it doesn’t have to be Uber complicated. it just needs to be on purpose is all. and so I would say also encourage it through your preaching and teaching know that preaching is a part of discipleship, one of the things, and one of the ways you can let preaching, I think be maybe.

Another piece to that. What we did is move to sermon based small groups where, so it kind of brings a continuity to some things that, shows them that this is something not just to be heard, but to be processed and internalized and applied in my life. And that helps do that. And so encourage it through your preaching and your teaching, celebrate stories of discipleship.

We, we replicate what we celebrate. I don’t know who said that first, but it rhymes and it.

Bob Bickford: I like that. That’s good.

JimBo Stewart: It makes sense. And I’ve heard it from several people before, but we, we replicate what we celebrate and so celebrate things, celebrate the stories, tell the stories, how people share their testimonies about it. [00:22:00] We we’ve got a guy in our church, uh, at redemption that, I hammered hard on discipleship for a long, long time.

And he had been there four and a half years, something like that at that point. And he came to me, he’s in his fifties, late fifties, been in church his whole life. And he said, all right, pastor, I’m going to church my whole life. And I don’t think I’ve ever heard the word discipleship until I came here. And he said, and even when you first started talking about it, I thought I don’t need that.

I’ve been going to church my whole life. He said, but you wouldn’t shut up about it. And. Now I’m really thinking it’s something I need to do. Would you be willing to disciple me? and so for like nine months, I mean, I, we met weekly and worked through a process that equipped him to be able to do that with others.

And then at the end of it, he said, man, everybody ought to do this. Like, well, yeah, that’s, that’s what I’ve been saying this all time.

Bob Bickford: Yeah, I just want, you know, something you, you talked [00:23:00] about is a process to process. Doesn’t have to be complicated. It can be really simple. I grew up in the, I don’t know if you remember these Jimbo there’s would probably well out before you, but there was a, um, there was an organization called student discipleship ministries.

And they gave you all these little books that you could work through. And they were all like fill in the blank. And so discipleship was kind of meet with the guys to study, study this lesson on your own, read the scriptures, fill in the blank, and then he had the answers. And then when you got there, he checked your answers against what you had.

Right? And so I, I discipled a lot of kids that way. Wouldn’t consider ministry It was, you know, there some good things, but it seemed like we were, when we did a system like that, it was always just filling the blanks. Right. And it wasn’t w it limited discussion because us type a folks, if we don’t get all the blanks filled in, we feel like you’re cheating us.

So I discipled a different guy. Uh, another guy who was in my adult years got him there and, Darren was an HBS vac guy. I think he might’ve went to community college [00:24:00] he was a good guy and came to the Lord and I just said, Hey, why don’t you come by every half, every Thursday afternoon, about two 30.

and we’ll just, we’ll sit down. And so our discipleship was, let’s talk about your life. Let’s open up the scriptures. Let’s read the Bible together and let’s talk about whatever’s happening in your life. We’re going to find a passage of scripture that deals with that, and then we’re going to have a conversation about it.

Right. And we’re going to look at some times, so we just did that. And there’s some guys that that’s how they do discipleship. Right. And I think for Darren, it was, and for me it was really helpful and effective. And I’m saying this in terms of it takes an organizational discipleship, any, any Christian who’s been walking with Christ for awhile?

Most, I would say any, he’s a big statement, but, but most could. If they have some grasp of the scriptures, a foundational grasp of scriptures, they don’t have to go through a 10 week series on this or that they can just sit down with somebody and open up the word and read it and talk about it. Right. And something as simple as that is, could [00:25:00] be your bread and butter discipleship strategy.

But I think what we’re seeing here in this point is your church needs a plan and get a plan and work bland.

JimBo Stewart: What are some resources, you would point somebody to, this, wanting to learn more about that and think of think through what a plan might look like.

Bob Bickford: Just in terms of like an organizational plan.

JimBo Stewart: Yeah. Or, or even just a, a personal discipleship plan of how to disciple somebody.

Bob Bickford: you know, there’s some good ones, that we have listed out and we’ll have listed out in our show notes. no silver bullets by Daniel M I think you’ve, you’ve read that book, right?

JimBo Stewart: that one is probably my favorite on the organizational level. as far as, what does it look like to align your organization in such a way that you create a culture of discipleship?

Bob Bickford: You know, our current uses our kit use has a book called disciplines of a godly man. And, um, I think that’s a real foundational book for just dudes. And so I meet with guys and, and, uh, that’s one of the basic books that we’ll just go through.

And I think that’s really, really good. [00:26:00] in terms of leaders, um, one of the books that we’ve talked about, like a team discipleship, one is trellis and the trellis and the vine, uh, as the elders, we look through that. Uh, so I think that’s a, that’s a really good one that I would, I wouldn’t go to.

JimBo Stewart: That’s another good organizational one. Neil, as far as just, uh, Relationally interpersonally, uh, Neil Cole’s cultivating a life for God is a very simple scripture based approach that I like. Robbie galleys growing up as a good reproducible process. I think Robbie Goudy’s growing up as a good one.

So I use that with, with some guys that. some of my elders that had never discipled anybody and felt very overwhelmed by that idea. Robby’s grabby gallery is really gives you kind of step by step. There’s not a whole, there’s not a whole lot. You have to think through, uh, it, it, it tells you what to do every step of the way.

And so that’s a good one. I gospel-centered life by Robertson. I, I love that, [00:27:00] that as a, kind of like a study to go through with someone and, and discipleship, but, I, we we’ve kind of hit our time. but man, what a great discussion you will hear us talking about. Discipleship more, as, as the podcast grows, but what we would really love to do on the other side of this six irreducible minimums is we’d love to talk with you.

We would love to know what questions you have. Bootcampers what are you thinking about? What are you struggling through? what stories do you have that we could celebrate, that are what have lessons that you’ve learned that you would love to share with others here on the podcast? Reach out to us through the website, let us know.

we’d love to have you on here.