JimBo Stewart: [00:00:00] Here we are. Back at it again. Back at The Replant Bootcamp. Bob, I hope you’re ready for the next episode. Another seminary edition here in the Fancy Recording Studio with our sound engineer Adam Covington.

Bob Bickford: Yeah. It’s great to have Adam and Jimbo. There’s, uh, I think I have an announcement to make.

JimBo Stewart: Yeah,

I mean, it’s a big day for Bob guys.

It’s a big day. we got to class and on the sign outside it said, welcome to Church Revitalization, Dr. Stewart and Dr. Bickford. Yes. And, but here’s the deal, Bob. It had the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary logo on it, so I think, I think you just received your honorary doctorate.

Bob Bickford: I think so, but I’ve been told that Southwestern doesn’t do those

JimBo Stewart: Yeah, well look, you know, I beg to differ cuz ask HR

and

 Dr.

Bickford,

it’s, I think it’s the, I think you just take that off the door, put an, put it into a, get a whole like southwestern diploma frame and put that

in

the

frame.

Bob Bickford: Yeah, I think that should work. but actually probably some intern somewhere printed that off. And, uh, but anyway, hey, it’s been a blast to be [00:01:00] here at Southwestern and I’m so excited about, about just the, the past couple of days that we’ve spent with the D Men, students and church revitalation and replanting.

And I’m super excited about our guest today, Dr. Matt

Queen.

JimBo Stewart: Dr. Matt Queen, went from the chair on fire to the

hair

on

Bob Bickford: fire

He did.

JimBo Stewart: as as he switched to, to temporary provost or permanent provost. And I think today you became

the

president. something like

that

Matt Queen: happened.

Well, the, the president, is not here today, so I’m, I’m trying to make sure that anything that he would be needed for that, I’m, I’m filling that

role,

so,

JimBo Stewart: it sounds like you just handle whatever the seminary

needs.

Matt Queen: Yes, sir. I, I love

this school.

Bob Bickford: Yeah, so we were having this conversation. Now Jimbo and I are teaching in the academy, but we have to confess, we had this conversation, I think as we were walking down the hall towards your office, we were saying, what exactly does a Provost

do?

JimBo Stewart: That’s a title I’ve heard a lot, and I know that it kind of means you’re in charge of something, but what exactly, what,

[00:02:00] what

is a

provost?

Matt Queen: Yeah. So the a provost especially in the Southern Baptist Seminary context is the chief academic officer of the institution. here I’m also vice president of academic administration. So, it’s my responsibility with our accreditation, agencies, to make sure that what we say we’re doing in the classroom we’re doing.

That we’re meeting our student learning outcomes. And also, it’s just a way for me, I feel like, to be a bit a pastor to the faculty. you know, they’re being pastors to the students and some, and they still have their issues. Like we all have our issues and they’ve got their churches, they’ve got their own pastors.

So we’re not taking the place of a pastor or church, but just in the work context to be a minister to the faculty and make sure I’m being a big advocate for them.

JimBo Stewart: So if they’re pastors of students and you’re the pastor to them, does that make you the bishop?

And if so, does that make you

Matt Queen: bishop Queen

Bob Bickford: No.

Matt Queen: If, if it worked that way, yes.

But

Bob Bickford: we’re

Baptists. Hey, I am super excited to be here, with you today because you just released a.

Matt Queen: Yeah.

Bob Bickford: And tell us the title of the book [00:03:00] and, give us, man, what, what was the heart behind it?

Matt Queen: Yeah. I just released a book, came out January 5th, with Brahman Homan Academic, and it’s called Recapturing Evangelism, A Biblical Theological Approach.

So, our president, Dr. DRI was a real big advocate when he was in the role of Interim Provost to, have me be able to go on sabbatical. So I was on a sabbatical for a year. and what that means, You don’t do any teaching or you do some agreed upon teaching, but you’re mainly focusing on writing.

And so I did, I worked on three books. one of the first of, well, the first of which, and the largest of which was Recapturing Evangelism, which is my basic evangelism. We call it contemporary evangelism. Here, my textbook, I also worked on with OS Hawkins, if you’ve heard of him before. we worked on a book, with Thomas Nelson called the Gospel Invitation.

And, we also, are finishing one title with Shane Pruitt, who’s with the North Bank Commission Board, called Evangelism Matters. Which a lot of the evangelism division with Nam, Catherine Renfro, JJ Washington, Tim Dowdy, all those guys are a part of it with some, some seminary professors and some [00:04:00] pastors.

So, that, that, that’s kind of what I was doing. But my, my passion behind recapturing evangelism was, to try to provide four, seminaries, divinity schools, colleges, an evangelism textbook. A lot of times when we think about evangelism, we think of here’s the how to, and it’s real practical and it’s really, you know, pragmatic, you know, do it this way like we do in evangelism, you know, memorize this presentation of the gospel.

And what I wanted to do is I wanted to give a, type of evangelism text that was really based on the examples we see of evangelism in the scriptures, and then be able to contextualize those to a 21st century context. So that was kind of the heart behind it. I’m looking forward to being able to teach it for the first

semester of this,

spring.

JimBo Stewart: Yeah. That’s awesome. Definitely if you’re a swim student, you should sign up to be part of that class as a listener, you should

register to get that book. evangelism, it seems, has become a lot more difficult, in our country over the last couple of decades.

What do you think is contributing to not only the decline in evangelism efforts, but perhaps the decline in [00:05:00] evangelism? Perceived at least evangelism

effectiveness?

Matt Queen: Yeah.

That, that, you know, that’s a really good, good question. I, I think a lot of it is, um, self-inflicted in some ways in the churches. and what I, what I mean by that is, Southern have always been known as the evangelism people, you know, the, the people, the largest, you know, evangelical or Protestant, denomin.

There. and I think, What we see in the churches is

three kinds

of people.

There are Southern Baptists that are four evangelism. I mean, they’re all four.

As

long as

somebody

else does

it

JimBo Stewart: Yeah. yeah.

they’re they’re just

gonna

Matt Queen: just gonna sit

in the Amen

That’s right. There’s another group of people they, they’re just as gung ho.

I mean, they’re fullthroated supporting evangelism as long as they don’t have to

do

it.

Yeah. And then there’s people who, they’re small group that are for evangelism and actually do it. And so I think, you know what I talk about in this book, one of the things is there’s a lot of good things. We do, we ought to do as Christians that we, confuse as evangelism.

One example, inviting people

to

church.

Mm-hmm. . Should we do that? Yes. [00:06:00] Is it a good thing to do? Yes. Will people come if they’re not invited? No, they won’t. We ought to do that, but sometimes we. Conflate. Inviting the church to sharing in Christ and calling for a response, you know? And so I think some of it relates to misconceptions.

People are thinking they’re doing the right thing, good thing, you know, maybe having an event at your church, maybe having a, you know, some kind of a big dinner and a presentation or a movie or whatever. And you have people who are unchurched, who are coming, you’ve never seen, they’ve never been to your church before.

And you say, man, we need evangelism. But if you didn’t share the gospel, You had a good event. I mean, it’s good to serve the community, but the gospel was not shared, so it wasn’t fully evangelism. So I think misconception of, of some of it. And then I, what I also try to talk about in the book, is to talk about establishing.

Evangelistic rhythms or

patterns. Mm-hmm.

you know, those who fail to plan time to evangelize will fail to find time to evangelize cuz we’re all busy. if, if we don’t put it in our account. Now again, it doesn’t mean you have to put it in to go door knocking. I [00:07:00] mean, you can do that. That’s one way to do it.

But if we don’t intentionally plan on doing it, it just won’t happen. Same thing. And it’s with all the spiritual disciplines. Same thing with reading your Bible, same, your quiet time, praying, you know, other things. So with the, the nature of disciplines are, we have to make time for ’em and plan time for ’em.

And I, I just don’t know if, if we’re seeing a lot of that today. And then I think the last thing is, many times in our churches we celebrate when new disciples are made and baptized and we should

mm-hmm.

But I think what has happened is somehow, Our people have been conditioned to believe that that’s the win, that that’s the success When someone has made a disciple and and baptized.

And by the way, that is the aim. That is the aim. That’s why we do it. The great commission. But success in evangelism

is doing

it. the only failure in evangelism is. A failure to evangelize. And so I think, you know, some of the things that I see with Tim Dowdy and JJ Washington, some of the things that I’m working [00:08:00]on with them and, uh, the Southern Baptist Texas Convention on a, a new Hoosier one, kind of 2.0 kind of a thing is what we’re gonna do is try to talk about how pastors can celebrate.

The disciples being made baptisms, but also celebrating the fact that the gospel was shared. Mm-hmm. . So I think, I think what we need to do is to find success in actually doing evangelism and not defeating ourselves If, you know, we get a lot

of rejection Cause we

Bob Bickford: mm-hmm.

could we take a, just a moment or two and kind of unpack that practically?

If I’ve, if I’m looking

at

my week, my day, my week, my month, and I want to become intentional about evangelism, help me understand how I might take

some

steps

to

begin to be intentional.

Matt Queen: that? That’s, that’s a great question. So there’s, there’s, two ways that just come off the top of my head. one of those ways is, is to be kind of, quantitative and say, okay, I’m going to share the, you, you make a decision in your quiet time with the Lord.

I’m gonna share the gospel once a day or once a week. Or once every other week or once, you know, [00:09:00] whatever that is. I’m, you know, I’m not establishing what that pattern is, but you’re doing it quant. There’s a number assigned to it, and then you put it into your calendar and then you go with someone or you go on your own or you, you know, you find some way to share the gospel.

That’s one way to do it, is to plan it in that way. The other way that I think will will be a little bit more helpful is to identify what is an opportunity to share the gospel. , I believe I’ve, I, I’m in churches all over the nation every weekend almost, and I go and I say, how many of you, if God gave you the opportunity to share the gospel today,

you’d do it? If not every hand, almost every hand comes up and then I say, okay, what is an opportunity to share the gospel? And they, they kind of look at me and I said, I already know what you think. You think you’re walking down the street. All of a sudden that light of heaven shines down. There’s a choir in the background.

Someone stupid Fighted comes up and says, what must I do to be

said? You know, that’s what they mean by that. You know, I’ll do it if I get that. The, I’m not saying that can’t happen. I mean, we, we, we did have, [00:10:00] you know, Damascus Road, but that likely is not gonna happen, right? So God is working with opportunities.

So identifying those things

to get

to

the gospel. So,

for.

example, one way you can do it is if you come across some, you know, establishing in your mind with God. Okay? For me, if I come into contact with someone who has a cross, either on his or her shirt, jewelry,

a

tattoo

or

whatever, I’m gonna see that anytime, God, you bring someone like that into my life, I’m going to ask the question, what does that cross mean to you?

I’m gonna say, I like

that

cross. What

does

it mean

to

you? You’re gonna see where they are. Mm-hmm. on the cross issue. Mm-hmm. . And then simply you’re

gonna be able

to return

and say what? , I wanna share with you what

the cross

means.

Yeah. And share the gospel, you know, so it’s, it’s seeing these areas. another rhythm like that is to say, okay, God, whenever I have to take public transportation, you know, a plane, a train, an automobile, you know, Uber or what, Lyft or whatever, I’m going to share the gospel with the person beside me or the person who’s driving.

You know, I’m gonna attempt to share. Now, we’re not gonna force it down their throats, but we’re gonna [00:11:00] attempt to share. My favorite one though is when I, when I feel led of the spirit to find somebody is to use a catchphrase. I’ve got two that I like to use a lot, but the one that I really love is when I just go and I say, Hey, have you

heard any good news?

Hmm. Most people say no. I did have one lady, her name was Elizabeth in Atlanta, and I was checking into a hotel one time and I said, have you heard

any

good

news today,

Elizabeth? She

goes, yep. And I was, it threw me off. Cuz usually I hear no. And I said, well what’s the good news? And she said, you’ve got air conditioning in

Bob Bickford: your

room.

Matt Queen: I

said,

now that’s

good news.

That’s good

news.

that’s good news. But I’ve got better news. And so I was able to share the gospel. So finding those small reals. Simple ways to get into the gospel or to find yourself in situations to get into the gospel. You know, at holidays asking somebody, Hey, you ready for Christmas?

What does Christmas mean to you? I wanna share what Christmas means. You’re not saying to me you don’t wanna make it a me versus you what Christmas means. So something like that. I think those are some ways to

get

some

good

evangelism rhythms.

JimBo Stewart: I appreciate the distinction of not saying, [00:12:00] this is what Christmas means to me, or this is what the cross means

to

me,

but here’s what

it

means definitively.

I also appreciate you saying that the, the success in evangelism is just doing it and failure is

not,

doing it. I had a great moment in the replant that God allowed me to pastor of. It was one of my favorite moments, is evidence of that we, we would do these outreach events, these apartment complexes, and I would constantly talk to my congregation about the importance of evangelism and how to do it, what to do, and what to say, what to ask.

And I had a 85 year old lady share the gospel for the first time in her entire life, and she was so disappointed that the person didn’t accept and I said, no, and we. Biggest deal out of it in church. We just like massive, like we celebrated it. I had her share the story. I mean, she was weeping, probably.

She was nervous to be on stage a little bit. But, just knowing that like, that’s a big deal. Like especially if you’ve gone been going to church your whole life. You’re 85 years old and you’re just now, man, let’s [00:13:00] celebrate, let’s celebrate that. You’re getting to do that. So one, I just wanna affirm that, that as, as our listeners are replants and revitalizes and they’re trying.

Figure out how do I get a culture of evangelism in the church? what would be your advice for specifically in, in really like close to death? Declining small. There’s not a lot of spiritual strength there probably cuz it’s, it’s need to be replanted. how do you begin to really cultivate

a

culture

of

everyday evangelism?

Matt Queen: That is a great question.

I, I went to Southeastern Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. And when I went there, I went to a church, union Chapel Baptist Church in Zebulon, and, uh, went as youth and music pastor. I was there for about five years and the pastor retired and I ended up becoming the pastor. The church.

Begun declining and got to about 35 when I became the pastor. And this is my first pastor. So, I mean, you know, we’re declining and you got a first, pastor and, I just went to what [00:14:00] I had been taught by my pastor by the example. And here’s, here’s the thing I wanna say to your, to your, your pastor listeners and your replants.

Not every single person in your church are you gonna be able to get to evangelize right off the bat. Mm-hmm. , I, I don’t know any church, no matter how si large or small, not everybody’s gonna be buying in. And, and in my church, not everybody was, but I had two guys who said, pastor, I’m not good at any, I’m not good at doing all this stuff, but if you need me, I’ll do it.

And identify those people, even if they don’t feel like they’re good at evangelism, that that will do whatever they need to support. And start taking them with you. And that’s what I did. And we went out and they just saw, they, they observed me sharing the gospel again, that’s accountability for me. Mm-hmm.

and because they saw me sharing the gospel. They were going with me. And then I would say, Hey, why don’t you do an interest this time to a stranger? Or, Hey, when we go visit this person that visit the church, why don’t you start the conversation, then I’ll get to the gospel. And we got it to the point where they were sharing the gospel and I said, okay, now guys, now I need you to find somebody and I’m gonna do it.

So it’s that multiplication. Same strategy that, [00:15:00] that you all are doing with replant. So I think part of that, number one is rep planters need to realize not every single person’s gonna do evangelism, and that’s okay and that’s normal. And you’re not a failure. If you only have one or two other people doing it, use them.

Number two. If your people don’t see and hear of you evangelizing, you will likely not see or hear them evangelizing. Now, I don’t mean that you always need to talk about it and brag on yourself. I’m not talking about hearing it that way, but if, if in your community, the barber or the, you know, the McDonald’s worker or whatever, if you’re not known for sharing the gospel in, you know, in a, in a real consistent way, then your people aren’t gonna be known for that. But as you do that, they’re gonna take on your personality. I mean, PA pastors, churches really reflect

their pastors. And so

I

think.

I think realizing those two things. Number one, you’ve gotta be a leader in evangelism.

They’re not gonna go, they, some, they’ll be, there may be one or two in your church that’ll go beyond the evangelist activity that you’re doing. So they may have [00:16:00] one or two, but the whole church as a whole is only gonna go where you’re going in evangelism and understand that not everybody starts off

anywhere,

Even in growing

churches, not everybody’s gonna start doing evangelism,

Bob Bickford: so great. One of the, the things that we know to be true, having pastored churches and, and working with people in churches. Is they want,

they have a list.

Here’s who I’d love to see.

Come to know the Lord. Right? And it might include the cashier, it might include the, the waitress at the restaurant. But there’s some folks that are really close to them in those relational circles where they, feel the tension of, I want to communicate to them the reality of sin, the reality of grace and

the

surety of heaven.

But

I also

don’t wanna

lose

this relationship. How do you help people who are in that position understand

how?

do they navigate?

Matt Queen: Yeah,

So I,

think number one, and not to be too super spiritual, but we need to be led of the spirit.

We need to pray about it in those things. I’m gonna give just an example of how I do it and I want your listener, listeners to know those of you that are listening. Doesn’t mean you need to do it this way, but [00:17:00] this is something I’ve found. I found helpful for me in my friendships and my family relationships, if I’ve never shared the gospel with somebody before in my family, that I love, that I say I love.

what, what I think the first step you do is you, you need to repent. I mean, you know, how, how can we really love them if we’ve not shared with them? You know? Yeah. So there’s a, there’s a sense in which we need to repent, and then I think we go to that person and we say, or I’ve gone

to the person and

said, you know, John, I need to confess something to you.

I’ve really done something against you that is really in the highest levels of, of offense, and I need your forgiveness for something. Now,

when

they’re thinking

on

their end,

what are they thinking? Well, what did

you

do?

Yeah. Did, did you

steal

JimBo Stewart: something?

Did, Did

you

you

know,

did you sleep with

my

wife?

Matt Queen: yeah. yeah. there’s, did

you kill my. That, that’s what they’re thinking. Right? But, but now they’re not gonna think that you, not sharing the gospel’s big, but it really is a big thing. If the gospel really is true, it is a big thing. And so what you do is say, you know, I, I need to apologize to you. So you’ve, [00:18:00] their expectations are here.

So what’s gonna happen is when you say to them, listen, I need to, I have never taken the time to share with you the most important news that I think is on the face of this.

that’s going low. See? See all the walls that’s gonna lower walls? And they’re gonna say, what? That’s what it is. . So there’s, there’s likely gonna be an ability for you to say, you know what, we’ve never done this.

And I need, be honest with you, I don’t want this to affect our relat. Just be honest. I don’t want this to affect my relationship, but I feel really bad. God has, God has really gotten on to me for this. I’ve gotten with God on this and I need for my relationship with God. I know you don’t believe in God, but with my relationship with God.

I need to be able to say that I’ve told you this, may I do that? And I wanna tell you, Mo, most people are more willing to hear the gospel today than we are to

share the gospel.

And so I think that’s one way you can do it, is to try to lower those expectations. You know, if it’s somebody you’ve already shared the gospel, a family member, but because they, you know, I don’t wanna hear that.

I don’t wanna hear that again, or whatever,[00:19:00] you know. Been several years. You can just go back and say, you know what? I want you to know, I, I hear, I heard you the last time we talked about this, but I don’t wanna make the assumption that maybe God’s not done something in your life and just say,

Would

it be okay if we had another conversation?

If they say, no, God knows your heart. You’ve already dealt with him. You’re, you’re responsible, you, there’s no blood on your hands. As Paul said, Ezekiel was told by God, if you’ve attempted and they still reject, you can’t force it upon them. Mm-hmm. , but just a simple question to

to see

if

you can

take

the,

the

conversation down

the road.

JimBo Stewart: One of the things I’ve noticed is sometimes people will say that they’re doing evangelism and just like you said, inviting people to church is not evangelism.

The other thing I I’ve seen is they’ll fall short really

of.

Telling the gospel and they’ll say something like, I just want you to know that God loves you and he has a plan for your life. Right? That’s one that I’ve heard a lot, and you, you hear that and you’re like, okay, well, which God? And what’s the plan?

and what does that mean? And what, what, so, so when you go to a family [00:20:00] member or a guy on the street and he’s got the cross shirt on and that conversation is given to you, you know,

you

don’t

have

30

minutes. to to go into all the things about propitiation and substitutionary atonement. But I mean, so just tell us the gospel, like what is the gospel and how would you say it

in a

concise manner That someone

could hear and receive?

Matt Queen: Yeah, so, so generally, whatever way I get to the gospel, I generally say something like this and I just want everybody that’s listening.

You don’t need to memorize this. You can memorize it if you want to, but if you know enough of the gospel to be saved by it, then you know enough of the gospel to share it. So the, there’ll be some salient truths, but you do

it

the

way

you feel comfort. This is how I feel comfortable. I usually say something like, the Bible says that all of us,

no matter

who

we are,

we

have disobey

him.

We’re not as, I’ll say, you know, I want you to know you’re not as good as you think you are. Neither am I.

And

we’re certainly

not

as good as our mothers

think

we are. You ,

Bob Bickford: You ,

know,

JimBo Stewart: just

to get a little humor

Bob Bickford: [00:21:00] that,

Matt Queen: what I

don’t

know

about Jimbo’s

mom

She thinks

he’s that

good.

Bob Bickford: So

Matt Queen: Well,

I’ll

have

to

change my

strategy

with Jimbo,

but, Okay, that’s

right.

But just to get a little levity there. And then I’ll say, but in our thoughts and our speech and our actions, we’ve all disobeyed God and God is up there, but God is not just distant and just kind of

watching what’s going

on.

Our failure to follow him actually angers

him

and we’re not right with him. You know, it’s not just, he’s just kind of

waiting. He’s not happy with us. And, that’s his justice and he rightfully, Is not happy with us. And in his justice, he is also loving. And he sent his son Jesus, who was God in the flesh, fully God, fully man. And the Bible says the wage or the result of sin is death. If you sin, you’re gonna die. We sin, we die. So Jesus, who is perfect in God, who did not need to die because he was perfect.

 Took our sins upon him. He took the penalty first and it was died. He was [00:22:00] buried on the third day, he was raised from the dead. And if we’ll turn away from trying to save ourselves or thinking we can do just good enough, if we’ll turn away, that’s repentance by the way. Turn away from that and put our faith in Jesus, then we can may be right with God.

Have you ever heard that

before?

Is

that a decision that you’re in? Interested in maybe knowing more about to make or something? So something like that. Now some people are gonna say, well, they don’t know Jesus and they don’t know. But here’s the fact of the matter. Whenever Paul went in anywhere, we, we always like to talk about Act 17 and how he went to the eus and he knew all these guts.

When he gets there and he’s looking at these ultras, he’s not studying them to try to share the gospel. He’s provoked the. Says, and so he starts off sharing Jesus in resurrection. And it’s when the philosophers hear that and they don’t understand it, then he opens up and gives the more worldview. So I think what we need to do is see how people

respond

to Jesus.

and, and how they respond to Jesus will let us know what the Spirit is doing in them. And if they say

no.

We can’t be the Holy Spirit for [00:23:00] them or we can’t force them in the spirit, but I really think

you’ll

never

know

how someone will respond to the

gospel

until

you

actually

share

the

whole

gospel.

Bob Bickford: I love what you said. If we know enough of the gospel to respond to salvation, to salvation of the drawing work of God through the Holy Spirit, we also know enough.

Of the gospel to be able to share it with our friends. May. It’s been great having you here, on the bootcamp, and I know, uh, we have been so blessed by being able to be a part of what, is happening here at Southwestern with the DMN program and Church Revitalation. Just, I know you’re not an

official sponsor of our podcast.

It

seems like

there’s

another

Baptist

podcast that there’re not. Yes. There seems to be that, Southwestern sponsors, uh, to some degree. But we’d love to, just for you to, to share your heart for this school. And if there’s a pastor that is thinking, man, I, I need some help in encouragement and equipping to deal with church

replanting

and revitalization, why is

Southwestern a great choice?

Matt Queen: Thank you so much for that opportunity [00:24:00] and I just wanna affirm what the North American Mission Board doing is doing and what your team is doing and helping churches, replant and be able to, continue to have a gospel witness in places.

I will just tell you that there are a number of us that are on faculty. I’m one, I told you I started off with 35. just being intentional in evangelism because of God’s growth. We ended up, whenever I. was called away about four and a half years later. We were at 125. Uh, led the associations of baptism, all those kinds of things.

And my story is just one of several in the faculty here that have, have actually done, re revitalization. Uh, another thing is we’re very thankful for our, our partnership with the North American Mission Board and having you all come. Uh, we have every intention on inviting you back. And so for those of you that are watching and you wanna say, okay, we’ve heard some practical things, but where, where does replanting have its way and its niche in academics?

I want you to know it has a place, and it has a place with Jimbo and Bob, teaching, adjunctively for us at Southwestern, in these classes [00:25:00] and.

Pastor, let me just say out there, we, we want to help you in any way we can with either the doctor Ministry program, or in other areas, that you may need to be, be trained, uh, if it’s not necessary, specifically revitalization.

We have a number of different concentrations, and if you’re interested in n learning more, uh, you can go to, uh, www.swbs.edu

and

we’d

love

to,

uh,

be able

to

connect with you there.

JimBo Stewart: I got one last Southwestern question for you. I, this is only my second time on campus.

I, I’ve

noticed there are a lot of painted portraits around this

place.

where’s the

Dr.

Queen

painted

portrait

is?

Bob Bickford: Well,

there,

there,

there’s

not

one

number.

One

Hopefully you don’t

Matt Queen: You don’t have to

die Yeah. No. Well, yeah,

JimBo Stewart: a lot of

money,

Bob Bickford: but, you know,

Matt Queen: the faculty portraits that you’ve seen in different schools, generally, those are four, uh, full-time faculty that have retired with a seminary. They have taught for, I think about 25 years.

So these are people that have not just gone here and there and other, where these are people that have [00:26:00] invested

their.

And

so

we

like to

just

honor

their

investment

into

the institution, so

JimBo Stewart: Well, Dr. Queen, thank you so much for being on the podcast. Thank you for inviting us to be a part of a DM n

Matt Queen: seminar.

the

JimBo Stewart: went

to college,

and, it was

pretty

awesome.